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maxwriteI know who my team is for the Ship Olympics! :D Teams will be announced on Tuesday, but being a captain from last year, I have access to almost everything the admirals are doing, so I had a peek at the Google Doc with the teams on it. I know exactly who I've got and what the actual team will be. I've started making graphics and things - header, userinfo banner and default icon for my team comm, and team icons - and I have to say I really, really like them. Thank you to the people who actually made the Starfleet/Olympics logo thing and the textures and whatnot, 'cause I was so lost without that stuff. ♥ Now the graphics are peeerrrrrrtyyyy.
I. Am. Excited. X-)
But anyhoo ...
Fringe 3x15 - Subject 13:
Apparently several people are having a hard time believing that Liv and Pete don't remember meeting as children, which confuses me, because I have yet to hear anyone complain about the fact that these two don't remember parts of their childhoods, and yet this one little detail in their memory loss is bugging people. It's been established that Liv doesn't remember the Cortexiphan trials. She didn't remember having met Walter or Belly before, she didn't remember Jacksonville even when she was standing right inside the daycare center, she didn't remember the room she burned down. Is it really that big of a leap to believe that she doesn't remember Peter either, seeing as she met him during the very time that she can't recall? Why she can't remember is another matter, but I'm willing to bet that Walter has something to do with that.
As for Peter, well we know that he doesn't remember a lot of things. It was only in the first season that he remembered Walter having experimented on him when he was little. Obviously something happened to him to make him forget that he was very much aware at one point that he'd been kidnapped. I mean, he didn't just forget that on his own after he and Elizabeth had that little chat at then of this episode. Yes, it seems like he accepted the situation, but that's not the same as believing it. I don't think for a second that he believed her. I think he finally relented because he knew it was hopeless and because he realized that she was a good person who really did care deeply for him. And I could believe that there might have been a hint of self-doubt there as well, what with her being so adamant, but he didn't fully believe it and I don't think he forgot all that by himself. I think Walter messed with his head. I think that thing Walter told him to do in order to suppress his bad dreams when he was little probably had something to do with it.
Overall, I enjoyed the episode. I was slightly wary of the whole Polivia thing being the focus, but my excitement about getting more 80s back story outweighed that. I love that we saw how Walter interacted with the kids, how good he was with them. It reminds me strongly of the episode Inner Child when he was so good at calming the little bald kid so they could attach that crazy thing to his head. I love that scene so much, partly because it's just so quirky and awesome, but also because you realize with kind of a sick little jolt that of course Walter's good with kids. He would have to be in order to conduct his experiments on them. Still a very sweet scene, but the whole thing really makes me think about how adults interact with kids in general, how adults have to manipulate kids in order to steer them in what they believe to be the right direction. It's all a bit sinister when you think about it, even though intentions may be pure.
Digress: I'm even reminded of the Harry Potter/Dumbledore relationship. What fascinates me about that is that at the beginning of the series, we the readers are very much like children. We know about as much as Harry knows and we have to figure out who to trust. Dumbledore is the obvious choice because he is kind and knowledgeable and seems to want the best for Harry. But as the series progresses, and especially in the final book, we've grown up with Harry, literally in some people's cases, we've learned things, we see things more clearly, and we realize that Dumbledore was just as manipulative as any other adult. He wasn't perfect or altruistic. He was just another adult trying to get by and put out fires before the whole place burned down, and he was even kind of a jerk at times. That reveal left me feeling kind of betrayed, to be honest. It's the same feeling I have in life, when I reached a certain age and realized, with disappointment and even a little fear, that the adults who I had once trusted to protect me were just as clueless as everybody else. It's the kind of feeling you'd have if you were in a car and you glanced over at the driver's seat only to see that nobody was driving.
I had a point when I started rambling. Right, I'm just really unsettled by the way Walter and Belly obviously manipulated those kids, and then we see some of those kids later on in life and they're all royally screwed up because of what Walter and Belly had thought would be best for them. *shakes head* So much like life.
Anyway, I did love seeing Walter's relationship with Olive, how special she obviously was to him, although I wonder how much of that is due to her ability and how much is due to her just being her. I loved seeing the incident (or an incident; do we know if she only burned down one room?) where she set the room on fire. I loved Walter standing up for her in the end and telling her stepdad off. I also really loved the Peter/Elizabeth scenes, especially the final conversation, and then watching her break down once Peter leaves the room. People have speculated that the story of Elizabeth having committed suicide must be bogus. I wonder. She was extremely troubled by Peter's struggle, so I could believe that that ate away at her until she simply couldn't take it anymore. This episode even implied that she might have developed a bit of a drinking problem in order to cope, and that could have helped her along the path to suicide. Still, I too have lingering doubt about the suicide story, because nothing on Fringe is exactly as it appears.
The scene in the tulip field was very sweet, but what I really loved about it was that it showed that Liv has powers beyond crossing over and setting shit on fire. I can't wait for her powers to come out more in present day, and I don't even mind that the catalyst that will bring them out will probably be Peter, because I know her ability doesn't rely on him but is merely helped by his presence because he makes her feel. I think I once likened the relationship between Liv and Pete to that of Dumbo and his magic feather and I still like that analogy.
Also, I think the kid actors did a really awesome job. It's true that little Peter wasn't as jokey as older Peter, but I'm willing to bet that Peter's sarcastic nature developed later on as a defense mechanism after all the shit he'd been through, maybe in his teens. He's super serious in this episode because he's in crisis, he's stressed and doesn't know how to deal with it 'cause he hasn't developed those signature Peter defenses that we know.
Having said all of that, I do hope that we get back to a fringe science-driven show at some point. Having the plot be driven by this romantic destiny stuff is fine, I suppose, depending on how it's handled, but that's not why I love the show, it's not why I started watching. I should know by now that what I sign up for is almost never what I end up getting. Of course, this is all just relationship stuff, and if I don't mind the show focusing on certain types of relationships (Peter and Walter, for example), I guess it's not really fair of me to complain about the show focusing on other types. It's all about the stupid and/or beautiful things people do for love. I suppose it's unfair to say that I wish the show would get back to being science-driven when the fact is it was probably always going to be about the relationships, because that's what everything is about. That's what people write about. Still, I think there's a difference between a science-driven show about relationships, and a relationship-driven show about science. I'm just not sure which is better at this point. If that makes sense. Which I don't think it does. :/
But I can't think of anything else to ramble about, so I'mma shut up now. That's all.
I. Am. Excited. X-)
But anyhoo ...
Fringe 3x15 - Subject 13:
Apparently several people are having a hard time believing that Liv and Pete don't remember meeting as children, which confuses me, because I have yet to hear anyone complain about the fact that these two don't remember parts of their childhoods, and yet this one little detail in their memory loss is bugging people. It's been established that Liv doesn't remember the Cortexiphan trials. She didn't remember having met Walter or Belly before, she didn't remember Jacksonville even when she was standing right inside the daycare center, she didn't remember the room she burned down. Is it really that big of a leap to believe that she doesn't remember Peter either, seeing as she met him during the very time that she can't recall? Why she can't remember is another matter, but I'm willing to bet that Walter has something to do with that.
As for Peter, well we know that he doesn't remember a lot of things. It was only in the first season that he remembered Walter having experimented on him when he was little. Obviously something happened to him to make him forget that he was very much aware at one point that he'd been kidnapped. I mean, he didn't just forget that on his own after he and Elizabeth had that little chat at then of this episode. Yes, it seems like he accepted the situation, but that's not the same as believing it. I don't think for a second that he believed her. I think he finally relented because he knew it was hopeless and because he realized that she was a good person who really did care deeply for him. And I could believe that there might have been a hint of self-doubt there as well, what with her being so adamant, but he didn't fully believe it and I don't think he forgot all that by himself. I think Walter messed with his head. I think that thing Walter told him to do in order to suppress his bad dreams when he was little probably had something to do with it.
Overall, I enjoyed the episode. I was slightly wary of the whole Polivia thing being the focus, but my excitement about getting more 80s back story outweighed that. I love that we saw how Walter interacted with the kids, how good he was with them. It reminds me strongly of the episode Inner Child when he was so good at calming the little bald kid so they could attach that crazy thing to his head. I love that scene so much, partly because it's just so quirky and awesome, but also because you realize with kind of a sick little jolt that of course Walter's good with kids. He would have to be in order to conduct his experiments on them. Still a very sweet scene, but the whole thing really makes me think about how adults interact with kids in general, how adults have to manipulate kids in order to steer them in what they believe to be the right direction. It's all a bit sinister when you think about it, even though intentions may be pure.
Digress: I'm even reminded of the Harry Potter/Dumbledore relationship. What fascinates me about that is that at the beginning of the series, we the readers are very much like children. We know about as much as Harry knows and we have to figure out who to trust. Dumbledore is the obvious choice because he is kind and knowledgeable and seems to want the best for Harry. But as the series progresses, and especially in the final book, we've grown up with Harry, literally in some people's cases, we've learned things, we see things more clearly, and we realize that Dumbledore was just as manipulative as any other adult. He wasn't perfect or altruistic. He was just another adult trying to get by and put out fires before the whole place burned down, and he was even kind of a jerk at times. That reveal left me feeling kind of betrayed, to be honest. It's the same feeling I have in life, when I reached a certain age and realized, with disappointment and even a little fear, that the adults who I had once trusted to protect me were just as clueless as everybody else. It's the kind of feeling you'd have if you were in a car and you glanced over at the driver's seat only to see that nobody was driving.
I had a point when I started rambling. Right, I'm just really unsettled by the way Walter and Belly obviously manipulated those kids, and then we see some of those kids later on in life and they're all royally screwed up because of what Walter and Belly had thought would be best for them. *shakes head* So much like life.
Anyway, I did love seeing Walter's relationship with Olive, how special she obviously was to him, although I wonder how much of that is due to her ability and how much is due to her just being her. I loved seeing the incident (or an incident; do we know if she only burned down one room?) where she set the room on fire. I loved Walter standing up for her in the end and telling her stepdad off. I also really loved the Peter/Elizabeth scenes, especially the final conversation, and then watching her break down once Peter leaves the room. People have speculated that the story of Elizabeth having committed suicide must be bogus. I wonder. She was extremely troubled by Peter's struggle, so I could believe that that ate away at her until she simply couldn't take it anymore. This episode even implied that she might have developed a bit of a drinking problem in order to cope, and that could have helped her along the path to suicide. Still, I too have lingering doubt about the suicide story, because nothing on Fringe is exactly as it appears.
The scene in the tulip field was very sweet, but what I really loved about it was that it showed that Liv has powers beyond crossing over and setting shit on fire. I can't wait for her powers to come out more in present day, and I don't even mind that the catalyst that will bring them out will probably be Peter, because I know her ability doesn't rely on him but is merely helped by his presence because he makes her feel. I think I once likened the relationship between Liv and Pete to that of Dumbo and his magic feather and I still like that analogy.
Also, I think the kid actors did a really awesome job. It's true that little Peter wasn't as jokey as older Peter, but I'm willing to bet that Peter's sarcastic nature developed later on as a defense mechanism after all the shit he'd been through, maybe in his teens. He's super serious in this episode because he's in crisis, he's stressed and doesn't know how to deal with it 'cause he hasn't developed those signature Peter defenses that we know.
Having said all of that, I do hope that we get back to a fringe science-driven show at some point. Having the plot be driven by this romantic destiny stuff is fine, I suppose, depending on how it's handled, but that's not why I love the show, it's not why I started watching. I should know by now that what I sign up for is almost never what I end up getting. Of course, this is all just relationship stuff, and if I don't mind the show focusing on certain types of relationships (Peter and Walter, for example), I guess it's not really fair of me to complain about the show focusing on other types. It's all about the stupid and/or beautiful things people do for love. I suppose it's unfair to say that I wish the show would get back to being science-driven when the fact is it was probably always going to be about the relationships, because that's what everything is about. That's what people write about. Still, I think there's a difference between a science-driven show about relationships, and a relationship-driven show about science. I'm just not sure which is better at this point. If that makes sense. Which I don't think it does. :/
But I can't think of anything else to ramble about, so I'mma shut up now. That's all.
Random
Date: 2011-06-28 05:36 am (UTC)Why aren't you writing this?
RPF : Simon Pegg/Nick Frost, They both identified as straight before they met, so it's not like they just fell into bed together and instantly accepted being bi. All right, it was almost like that.
Re: Random
Date: 2011-06-28 11:02 am (UTC)But yeah, I dunno. I should, I know. Maybe I will, I can add it to my
Heh, where did you find that prompt, the STXI RPF kink meme?
Re: Random
Date: 2011-06-28 12:14 pm (UTC)Actually, no idea how I got to this particular post. I think I may have been logged out or something and this is what showed. *shrug* I cannot explain the mysteries of teh interwebz.
I found this prompt at Queer_fest on LJ. I was looking at the prompts because the mod posted an upcoming "Amnesty Week" where anyone may post anything from any prompt with no regard to previous fest rules. Kind of a free-for-all for one week. http://queer-fest.livejournal.com/24144.html
When I read the prompt, I wanted to share it with you because I, obviously, thought of you. :-)
Re: Random
Date: 2011-06-28 12:45 pm (UTC)Huh, it is a public post, so that's probably what happened.
I wasn't even really aware of that comm, let alone the prompt, heh. Thanks for the heads up!